The 32Gb Compact Flash Ipod

The 32Gb Compact Flash Ipod

26th January 2008

By Tarkan | Permanent Link

Tags: 32 gb, 32gb, 5.5g, 5g, A-Data, adaptor, cf, compact-flash, Conversion, hard-drive, iFlash, ipod, iTunes, Rockbox, video

Conclusion

The 32gb Compact Flash Ipod is a huge success story. We have got to the point where it has become affordable to replace the clunky mechanical hard drive with a solid state CF card.

I expect this card to get cheaper going forward so the value for money aspect will only get better.

So don’t throw your broken iPods away - iFlash them!

Pros

Extended battery life
Smooth User interface
Sturdy and better impact resistance
Less weight - Much lighter

Cons

Sync speed

More information about the iFlash can be found here.

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1 On January 27th, 2008, Launched : iFlash Ipod Compact Flash Adapter (mk II) - Tarkan Akdam’s BORED said:
[...] Tested with the new 32Gb CF cards (read about it). [...]
2 On January 28th, 2008, Usando tarjetas Compact Flash en un iPod 5G said:
[...] chicos de Tarkan han publicado una guía para sustituir el disco duro del iPod 5G por una tarjeta compact flash de 32 Gb. El resultado es un [...]
3 On January 28th, 2008, Carola said:
Can this be done with an iPod 3G? I have a dead iPod Any info would be MUCH appreciated!!
4 On January 28th, 2008, Tarkan said:
The link below shows you how to do something like this to the 3g and 4g ipods.

http://www.instructables.com/id/Convert-your-4th-Gen-iPod-to-use-Flash-Memory/
5 On January 29th, 2008, How To Make a Flash Based Video iPod - MacTips said:
[...] hard drive or just want to upgrade to more energy efficient and more durable Flash memory, then Tarkan has just what you need. It’s a straightforward operation that shouldn’t take you more than 20 [...]
6 On January 29th, 2008, ReelSmart.com :: Video, Technology, Digital LifeStyle, Macintosh Tips, and Opinions » iPod Tip #36: Convert 5G iPod Video to Compact Flash Storage said:
[...] The install should not take too long. It requires you open the iPod, probably the hardest part, removing the old HD, installing the compact flash card and iFlash - Compact Flash Adapter, putting the unit back together and restoring the iPod using iTunes. See the complete instructions. [...]
7 On February 1st, 2008, seth said:
Hey there, I recently saw a similar article for adding flash to an ipod mini, and had taken the steps to acquire the parts (awaiting shipping now). In the meantime, I’ve got my Ipod Video on ebay right now (80gig 5.5g if anyone is interested — shameless plug).. Anyway, my biggest reason for getting an ipod mini for doing this is that the ipod videos don’t seem to be fast enough to do all the necessary processing for the new audio formats allowed by rockbox. After you’ve had a chance to play rockbox on your CF’d ipod video, could you comment on its speed in relation to skipping/buffering problems? Had I of known about this CF/ATA adapter soon, I may have opted to just mod my ipod video (if the speed is there for rockbox i mean).
8 On February 1st, 2008, Tarkan said:
Seth, I will have a play with Rockbox this weekend, I have not heard of any talk about the Video Ipod’s being too slow for the audio formats offered by Rockbox - this is new to me.

In terms of CF performance even this slow 32Gb A-Data has a transfer speed of 2 - 3 MB/s, and the highest video/audio stream the iPod can handle is limited to ~400 KB/s. Also you cannot forget the 32MB builtin memory for buffering.

With the standard Apple O/S the CF version of pod is no different than the hard drive version - Video is smooth and Audio does not have any skipping.
9 On February 5th, 2008, nywytboy68 said:
Can I put this in a Zune 30gb? I would like to know if I can possibly mod a Zune 30gb w/this adapter as this would be the best thing since sliced bread!!! (LOL) Please let me know if its possible as I\\\\’m going to then use it with a 64gb cf card when they are released. Thanks!!!
10 On February 5th, 2008, nywytboy68 said:
PS: I’ve let the guys know at Zunemods.com and there is a bizz starting!!!
11 On February 5th, 2008, Tarkan said:
It should fit the Zune , iPods and Zune’s share the same toshiba hard drives.

I do have a return policy on the purchase of the iFlash adaptor, so why not order one to try out? if it does not work you can return it.
12 On February 5th, 2008, Apple renova linha iPod Touch e iPhone : Vagal.net said:
[...] proprietários do iPod Touch e suas memórias "estado sólido", siga o exemplo deste cara: transforme o seu iPod com HD em iPod com memória flash de 32GB usando um cartão Compact [...]
13 On February 5th, 2008, Apple renova linha iPod Touch e iPhone : Vagal.net said:
[...] proprietários do iPod Touch e suas memórias "estado sólido", siga o exemplo deste cara: transforme o seu iPod com HD em iPod com memória flash de 32GB usando um cartão Compact [...]
14 On February 5th, 2008, nywytboy68 said:
By the way, after viewing the video I’ve noticed that the cf and adapter take up less space in the ipod. What this means to me is I will have room for a bigger battery in my zune 30gb. I’m only waiting for the 64gb cf to come out and then its all systems go!!! PS: You Are Da’ BOMB!!!
15 On February 5th, 2008, nywytboy68 said:
By the way, the website I gave the info on is zunemods.net (sorry for the flub)
16 On February 21st, 2008, the OUTLAW said:
Got my adapter today, joy!!!
Gonna put it together as soon as I can steal the cf from my buddies GPS.
Let ya know how it works
Thanks again.I guess Ill have to order another for my other 30 gig.
17 On February 22nd, 2008, Owlberts Abode | In a Flash - to your iPhone and iPod that is! said:
[...] The 32Gb Compact Flash Ipod [...]
18 On February 26th, 2008, the OUTLAW said:
Picked up a 1 gb cf card at the local swap shop. Installed all this a few days ago and what a
success!!! I ordered a 32gb cf card from the internet Itll be here in a couple of days
and the project will be done. A question…how can I stack 2 32gb cards in the back of
a 30 gb ipod and a 80 back cover think it would work? thanks again
19 On February 26th, 2008, Brian said:
Do you know if the dual CF adapters fit into the ipod video’s?
20 On February 26th, 2008, Tarkan said:
No dual Cf adapters will not fit or will they work. The dual adaptors are configured to use the Cf cards as master and slave drives. The iPod firmware and software do not use this method of accessing the drive.

A company did produce a dual intelligent adaptor for CF cards which made two cards appear as one larger card but it is a big circuit board and very expensive.
21 On February 28th, 2008, the OUTLAW said:
Hey Tarkan, Got my 32gb card today finished the conversion. All I can say is its awsome.
Its nice to see 30.16gb available. It works flawless. Thanks again and Ill have to do it again soon.
22 On February 29th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Thats great news!!! Which 32Gb Cf Card did you get?
23 On February 29th, 2008, the OUTLAW said:
Hey I got the 32cf card from topram It was $147.00 plus seems to work fine
24 On February 29th, 2008, Dave M. said:
Hi guys,
Note someone got the 32GB topram CF card to work in their ipod….
I bought the 16GB topram card to put in my ipod mini, unfortunately no success, and I did everything, even down to using knoppix to partition the drive correctly and copying the 8gb topram card that works ok, to give it a start, all to no avail. Anyone got this working - seems unfair that the 8 & 32GB topram cards work with apple s/w but the 16gb don’t ??
cheers,
Dave.
25 On March 3rd, 2008, Kyle said:
Hi i was just wondering how to recognize what broken ipods were usable for this mod? thanks
26 On March 3rd, 2008, Kyle said:
after rereading that its not very clear. what i mean is, when im looking on ebay how do i know that whats wrong with the ipod is that it has a broken hdd?
27 On March 3rd, 2008, Tarkan said:
That is a hard one - Most of the time a iPod which powers up and displays the sad iPod icon is normally due to a faulty hard drive.

If you remove obvious physical damage like LCD’s - I would say 95% of broken iPods have faulty hard drives.

Where it gets complicated is when iPods have been opened then the problem scope increases to damaged battery connectors and sometimes damaged hard drive ribbon or connector.

When buying broken iPods stats are on your side!!!
28 On March 3rd, 2008, Kyle said:
thanks, also is it really necessary to use an ipod opening tool or will and screw driver do if im not worried about scratches?
29 On March 3rd, 2008, Tarkan said:
I would suggest getting the opening tools, they do make opening the case easy, it’s just not about scratches - with the screwdriver you will end up with some nasty looking damage to the steel case.
30 On March 3rd, 2008, Kyle said:
ok, thanks for all your help.
31 On March 5th, 2008, Greg said:
Hi Tarkan,

I haven’t heard back from you, and I just wanted to see what luck you’ve had with the iPod Classic I sent you to test.

Look forward to hearing from you,
Greg
32 On March 11th, 2008, bryan said:
I’m planning on doing this and I was wondering where you got the 32GB SSD. I did some looking and couldn’t seem to find a 32GB SSD.
33 On March 11th, 2008, bryan said:
Nevermind… I just found the links at the bottom…
34 On March 11th, 2008, Tarkan said:
You can buy the adaptor from my store, this allows you to use the CF card inside your iPod, no need for a SSD.
35 On March 11th, 2008, buttzilla said:
Hi! I have tried to install a A-Data Compact Flash 32GB (the same as this manual) to my 4G color ipod. When I complete the installation, I put into the PC and the iTunes opens. I restore the iPod, but, when it finish, repeats the process again and again. It not show the message to connect it to the power supply. Windows recognize the iPod as a hard drive and I can transfer files to the iPod and it works perfectly, but the iTunes can’t finish the process of restoring.
36 On March 11th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Sorry have not done any work with the 4G iPods, I suggest visiting ipodhackers.net they have various articles about CF cards in 4G iPods.
37 On March 12th, 2008, buttzilla said:
Thanks Tarkan, I will visit they.
38 On March 18th, 2008, Kyle said:
Hello again,
One more question, when you do this is it possible to fit the 850mah battery from the 60/80 gig ipod into the 30?
39 On March 18th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Not sure, but I doubt it. The 60/80Gb battery is a few mm thicker than the 30Gb, but several companies now supply greater capacity 30Gb batteries and combined with the iFlash adaptor - you will get very good battery life.
40 On April 24th, 2008, Joey said:
Hi, Tarkan,

Ive just installed the compact flash card, and restored my ipod though, Ive got a problem, which is Ipod keeps restoring again, again again…. Do you know why it is happening? I dont know what to do now.. Could you help me out.~!
41 On April 24th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Joey,

Welcome to the iPod restore loop problem. It is something which happens to the 5g iPods sometimes - search the web for the iPod restore loop (recovery loop) for ideas on how to fix it.

The Apple recommended fix is to change the drive letter that the iPod uses. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=93499

Another fix is to put the iPod in to disk mode before restoring with iTunes (hold the Select and Play buttons while the black apple logo is on the screen after a reset - menu + select).

Also worth trying, is installing another version of iTunes or if you are using a windows machine try restoring on a mac.

Let me know how you get on….
42 On April 24th, 2008, Joey said:
thank you for helping, though, Ive already tried all these recommended solution.
However, the problem keeps happening, so, I assume there might be a problem on the battery. But, I am not sure whether this problem is related to battery issue.
What do you think?
43 On April 24th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Unlikely to be the battery. Before you do anything you need to make sure the adaptor is fitted correctly and that the CF card is working in the iPod.

Easy way is to put the iPod into disk mode, then check you can format the iPod drive and read / write to it.

If not, then check your installation and then try another CF card anything over 512Mb will do.
44 On April 24th, 2008, Joey said:
In terms of Disk mode, everything is good, read/write perfectly, and everything is fitted correctly. what should I do, now…..
45 On April 24th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Can you try restoring on another machine. If not you can send the iPod to me, I will reset and restore the firmware for you.
46 On May 2nd, 2008, Thomas said:
I Just bought your adapter and a 2 GB Hama to try it out.#
I did everything carefully just like the tutorial and it does work like it, but when I want to restore my drive with itunes it says after a while (couldn’t restore because IPOD is busy)!!!!

Whats wrong with that thing? Did you have something like this before? Is there any solution to that.????

Thanks, Thomas
47 On May 2nd, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Thomas,

It is possible that the card is not compatible. First thing I would do is to check you can access the iPod as a drive.

Press and Hold Menu + Select, when the black apple logo appears Press and Hold Play + Select, this should get you into disk mode. Connect the iPod to your computer, it should appear as a drive.

Now try formatting and reading - writing to the iPod. If this does not work then either you have a bad connection (faulty ribbon cable) or the card will not work in the iPod.

Try another card 512Mb and over will do.

Let me know how you get on. Good luck.
48 On May 3rd, 2008, Thomas said:
Thanks for the fast reply…

I can go into disk mode. But it’s the same. I connect it to my macbook and itunes discovers a new ipod witch it wants to format. I do it and it starts … a minute later a window is popping up that itunes couldn’t restore the drive because the ipod is busy.

wich operating system are you using? Do You think I should try it on a windows computer?

Or is it the card? I mean it doesn’t say it’s data rates or anything…
49 On May 3rd, 2008, Tarkan said:
Thomas,

It just maybe worth trying the disk mode on a windows computer to check you can access the drive, etc.

If that not work it maybe that the card is not compatible. Do you have another card to try?
50 On May 5th, 2008, Thomas said:
yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Switched the card at the shop and tada!!!

So it was the Data Rate I Guess. I have now a SecureData 4 GB Ultra 2, I think, and it works all without any trouble. So thanks a lot for your support.
51 On May 5th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Thomas, That is good news - enjoy your refreshed iPod.
52 On May 6th, 2008, Joey said:
Hi, Tarkan!

I am very happy with my refreshed Ipod now. Thank you!

I think iflash is really needed for people who are suffering from the ipod issue.

What I’m saying is I would like to post this information, iflash, on my korean website in korean, if you dont mind.

I think more people suffered from the ipod issues should know about an alternative way you developed rather than just throwing away ipods, or, buying new one.

So, if you do not mind, I would like to post it. just let me know!

cheers!
53 On May 7th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Joey, well my moto is if you like it - spread the word and let the world know
54 On May 15th, 2008, Kyle said:
hello again,
I got my ipod done and I was just wondering if yours still lagged a little when switching songs, like maybe a second if you have scrolled down the list and then selected another one, just wondering because it seems kind of slow, i think a lot of it is the processor and ram though. Thanks
55 On May 19th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Kyle,

I think the lag is worse with slower cards, my A-Data test iPod has more lag than my Extreme IV iPod.

The lag comes from the fact that the iPod loads in to memory approx. 32Mb of data (like the next few tracks after the one you have selected).

This lag occurs on the hard drive as well, and is much worse as the drive needs to be spun up to read ahead.
56 On May 23rd, 2008, Kyle said:
thanks, one more question, my ipod when left in sleep for a long time, like 10 hours, when woken up tells me to restore but if i restart it it works fine and i can connect it to the computer and everything. and ‘ve tried restoring it multiple times now but to no avail. It must be a software problem correct? Is it possible that it does this because it doesn’t think its sleeping right because the “hard drive” isn;t shutting down?
57 On June 6th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Kyle,

So far the deep sleep issue seems to be related to slow CF cards - the iPod firmware timing is very aggresive when waking up from deep sleep - causing the restore message.
58 On June 22nd, 2008, Kyle said:
did you experience the same problem when using rockbox?
59 On June 22nd, 2008, Tarkan said:
You would not have the same issue with Rockbox - it uses another method of sleep, which is not effected by the speed of the card.
60 On June 28th, 2008, Jared said:
Hey Tarkan,

I just got my adapter in the mail a little while ago. I purchased a 32GB A-Data Speedy card, installed it, and restored the iPod software. Everything works well up to this. After I got the iPod software re-installed, I installed Rockbox. If I boot to the iPod firmware, it works great, but if I try to boot to the rockbox firmware, it gives me the following the rockbox screen appears, and sits for about 20 seconds and then displays this error:

ATA error: -1

Press ON to debug

I’ve tried several different rockbox builds, all with the same results. When I first got my CF card, I put it in my card reader and zero’d it out completely (dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb), at which point I wrote a fresh partition table with fdisk and let iTunes handle the formatting of the card from there.

Have you seen this behavior where Rockbox doesn’t like the CF card, but the iPod firmware does?

Thanks,
Jared
61 On June 28th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Jared,

The current build of Rockbox does work but it seems to only work on certain cards (such as Sandisk Extreme range).

Someone on the Rockbox forum has determined that in version r16259 certain changes were made which has caused this ata -1 error on some cards.

If you have the means to compile your own build and have access to svn, then make a build of r16258 which is the last build known to work with these cards.
62 On June 29th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Everyone who is having problems with Rockbox, Good news!!! I have setup a development environment on a virtual machine and now have the ability to compile and build Rockbox.

I will do a build of version r16258 and will post it up for download.

When I get some time I will go through the Rockbox source code to determine what has been changed causing this ata -1 error.

I should mention this error only seems to effect slower cards (e.g. Adata 32Gb Speedy) - the current Rockbox build works fine on my collection of Sandisk Extreme III cards.
63 On June 29th, 2008, Jared said:
Howdy,

Until you get that up, I just built a copy of r16258 (for iPod Video 30GB model–does NOT work on iPod Video 60/80GB models). You can find it here:

http://jaredsutton.com/downloads/rockbox-ipodvideo-r16258.zip

I’m attempting to patch the current SVN revision currently. I’ll let you know if I get it working.

Jared
64 On June 29th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Jared, nice one!!

I spent some time looking at the differences between build r16258 and r16259, major changes where made - but nothing jumps out as the cause.

I did notice in main.c they have moved when the i2c bus is init’d, I wonder if moving this back to its original position will fix this issue????
65 On June 29th, 2008, Jared said:
Yeah, I saw that move in main.c as well. I moved it back, but it didn’t seem to fix anything.

I google’d around a bit for the error message, and some other devices display this error when the battery is having problems. I noticed there were some power management changes between r16258 and r16259, so perhaps one of those changes is responsible. Just a shot in the dark.

BTW, I’m not sure if you want to continue discussing this on your blog post. If not, feel free to email me directly.

Jared
66 On July 5th, 2008, Mike said:
So how can I buy the 32GB A-Data compact Flash card at Newegg from the UK? They dont seem to do international shipping?
67 On July 5th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Ah…that is where friendly Americans come in to it….

Failing that, the next best thing to a friend in the USA is ebay, the A-Data is currently about £74 inc postage (which is much higher than the current $100 on newegg but that is life).
68 On July 5th, 2008, Jared said:
Hey Mike,

I’m an American, and I consider myself fairly friendly. If you’d like me to get it from newegg and mail it to you in the UK, I think I could do that. Send me an email if you’re interested (jpsutton [at] gmail com).

Jared
69 On July 10th, 2008, Mike said:
Hey Jared,

Thats great news and very kind. I will be in touch.

Cheers

Mike
70 On July 10th, 2008, Mike said:
Hi All,

I have found some very cheap looking CF cards on Ebay. Has anyone tried one of these cards? Do they work in the Ipod CF conversion? Are there any reasons I should considenot buying this product?

http://cgi.ebay.com/32GB-32G-CF-16GB-COMPACT-FLASH-CF-Card-fits-SONY-A700_W0QQitemZ330248803064QQihZ014QQcategoryZ15215QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hoping for enlightenment…

Mike
71 On July 10th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Mike,

Have a look here :-
http://www.tarkan.info/20080506/blog/iflash-compact-flash-compatibility-help-needed

Looks like the Topram will not work.
72 On July 10th, 2008, Mike said:
Hi Tarkan,

thanks for that link. As always compatability is never that simple. According to reports the Topram 16GB will not work but the Topram 32GB will.

I was looking at a 32GB module so it looks like someone has managed to make it work but the fact that some Topram stuff does and some doesnt work isnt filling me with hope.

Cheers anyway

Mike
73 On July 10th, 2008, Tarkan said:
I personally think these cards are just rebadged - i.e. someone sticks a topram sticker on the outside.

So I think the cards themselfs can come from several different manufacturers, so you really just don’t know what you are getting.
74 On August 9th, 2008, Derek said:
Hi,

I recently installed your adapter along with a 32gb Speedy A-data CF card, but I am unable to get my 5.5 gen 30gb ipod to go into disk mode, or diagnostic mode but I can reset it using the reset+select method. It boots up to the sad ipod icon now, but I’m unsure as to why. I can’t get my laptop to recognize it for a format. I also replaced the battery with a extremely high capacity one from PDASmart.

I don’t think I damaged any of my connectors in either installation. The CF card is perfectly fine, I plugged it into a usb adapter and my MacBook recognized it instantly. I trust the quality of your adapter, and it doesn’t look damaged, any ideas? just ask for any other info

Thanks
Derek
75 On August 9th, 2008, Derek said:
I also get a “very low battery” warning when I connect my ipod to my computer, even after letting it charge for over 8 hours, I think the battery is faulty, but I am still able to turn the ipod on without it being plugged in??? I’m fairly tech-inclined, but I’m running circles here.
76 On August 9th, 2008, Tarkan said:
Hi Derek,

The low battery when you connect to the computer, normally happens when either the battery has not been connected or the battery connection is bad.

The problems you are having does sound like the ribbon faulty but before replacing. I would disconnect the ribbon from both ends and re-install. Also make sure the ribbon is fully seated in to the ZIF connector.

Also feel the iPod end of ribbon connector does it feel smooth with no sharpness.

If you think it may be the iFlash (very very unlikely, but you never know) I can send out another one to rule that out.

Contact me via my contact me page if you have anymore questions.
77 On August 12th, 2008, 5 Gen ipod CF card addapter with cool iVue clear case - Head-Fi: Covering Headphones, Earphones and Portable Audio said:
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78 On August 21st, 2008, CV said:
I did the Flash procedure y’day after buying a Transcend 32 Gb from Amazon. Things went smoothly, I charged the Ipod battery overnight and restored the Ipod today. But it gave some error (can’t access drive for write) when trying to sync with iTunes. So I formatted the drive as 32 FAT and using 16 units as allocation size using Windows. I’m trying to sync but the thing is SLOOOOOW. I understand this is no Sandisk Ultra but geez, this is way too slow. Maybe I’m doing something wrong. Any pointers as to what I should try next? Could something have gone wrong with my installing the iFlash adapter that could cause the slowness? Is formatting as FAT32 and the above allocation unit size the right thing? Thanks in advance.
79 On August 21st, 2008, CV said:
Ok, the syncing failed again. It says Attempting to Copy to the disk ‘My Ipod’ failed. The disk could not be read from or written to.
80 On August 21st, 2008, CV said:
Ok, some good news finally!! I formatted the card using Linux dd, did a restore from iTunes and just synced with a small batch of music files. And it synced!

Unfortunately, can’t get rockbox to load properly yet. I get ATA error -80 “No partition found”. Any ideas? I tried the patch build from the other port about Iflash and Rockbox but still the same issues.
81 On October 1st, 2008, jau said:
Tarkan! Thank you so much for getting this device out to me so quickly. Even with the delay in payment processing, I received it in the US in less than 5 business days. I just finally got around to plugging it in and using the ebay purchased Samsung 32GB CF, and I gotta say, it was such an easy and painless process! My ipod is noticeably lighter, and feels almost hollow without the hard drive lol..

thanks again!
82 On October 2nd, 2008, Niz said:
Hi Tarkan

I installed an 8GB Transcend 133 which works ok. I did the iTunes restore (Mac) and loaded some tracks but now the scroll/click wheel won’t work!! The ipod is stuck on the language menu and doesn’t respond

I tried flipping the hold switch etc but to no avail…

Any ideas??