Comments on: Wordpress Plugin : Multipage Toolkit 2.6

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:29:18 +0000

Hi,

Yes it does work in wp 2.7 (my site is running 2.7).

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:28:43 +0000

Thanks for the donation, it is always appreciated as it spurs me to keep developing
I cannot wait to see it in action on your site.

I hope to release a new version soon - this will hopefully include new SEO options with browser titles and indexing features for search engines. I am also hoping to modify the options page to look better in wp2.7.

By: @domainpubber

@domainpubber — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:41:33 +0000

Has anybody tried using this plugin with Wordpress version 2.7 or does it need to be updated for 2.7? Thanks.

By: Markus

Markus — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:51:13 +0000

Hey Tarkan! Thanks for this plugin. It is exactly what i was searching for. As soon as my new project will be online, I will send you a link. Donation already sent

Regards from germany,

Markus

By: Fabiano Busdraghi

Fabiano Busdraghi — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:46:02 +0000

Hi Tarkan,
during the last weeks I had some talks with seo gurus and a lot of web forums users. what seems to be the best solution for seo and usability is to tell google to index only the all page. this can be easly achieved in this way:
test the url to see does not contains “all”. if yes, print in the header
META NAME=”ROBOTS” CONTENT=”NOINDEX, FOLLOW”
to prevent indexing of the subpages.
In this way only the all page will be indexed by google, and there is no duplicate content.
ciao
f
p.s. i can not post html code, as you can see in my previous comments. but if someone index the all page only there is no need to eliminate comments from the subpages…

By: fabiano busdraghi

fabiano busdraghi — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:19:27 +0000

Just a little sujestion to improve the code in the previous comment. At hte and I decided to print the comments only in the first page and add a link to the comment page in any other page. This is the code:

Post or read comments

In this way comments are always print once. If in the robot file one tell to the spider not to index the all page there is no more duplicate content on the site.
ciao fabiano

By: fabiano busdraghi

fabiano busdraghi — Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:02:42 +0000

Hi there,
I’m still thinking to a possible way to avoid duplicate comments. a possible solution is to print the comments only in the last (or first page) of the post, something like this:

ciao
f

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 17:35:19 +0000

Hi Neil,

My plugin does not do anything to the RSS feed.

The only settings in wordpress for the feed are choice of summary or full - I wonder if full text setting is not multipage aware therefore only showing the first page.

Try asking over at wordpress.org

By: Neil

Neil — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:57:54 +0000

Hi there,

Great plugin!

We have an issue in that we have a full post rss feed but when using pagnation it only shows the first page?

We syndicate our feed to a number of sites and unfortunately they only get the first page of posts.

Is this a known issue or do we need to change some settings?

Thanks,

Neil

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:34:44 +0000

Fabiano,

I am looking at providing an option to control the indexing. My only concern so far is
a) not sure how to approach the whole indexing sub-page or all page,
b) I don’t really want to change the fabric of how wordpress works - as standard wordpress treats sub-pages as seperate entities, without my plugin clicking on a multipage post takes you to the first page. There is no way of getting to the view all page (My plugin actually generates that otherwise it does not exist) - by me making the individual pages on a post non-index then nothing on the site will get indexed…

The only way forward I see is to make the first & view all page indexable and maybe turn-off indexing for the remaining pages.

I do understand where you are coming from in relation to the comments, but I think that is something which should be dealt with in the theme rather than my plugin.

If my idea above was implemented then it would be possible to not show comments on the view all page, as only the first page and the view all page is indexed - then duplicate content is reduced greatly….

By: fabiano busdraghi

fabiano busdraghi — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:07:49 +0000

Hi Tarkan
thank you for your time and effort. I’m still not sure if it is better to said to the spider not to index the all page, or the post subpages. Maybe you can add an option to let the user choose which one not to index.
On the google page I posted in my last comment they say:
“Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar.”
and also:
“If you have many pages that are similar, consider expanding each page or consolidating the pages into one. For instance, if you have a travel site with separate pages for two cities, but the same information on both pages, you could either merge the pages into one page about both cities or you could expand each page to contain unique content about each city.”
Look for exemple at this page: comments are 10 times longer than the post real content. I think when google spider those 2 pages it thinks they are more or less the same.
One possible solution is to put comments on a separate page, as I sayd in my last post. Or make google spider only the all page, in this way also the comments are present only one time. Maybe this is the best and easyest solution.
I don’t know a lot of site that have multipage post, usually people prefear one page post. In any case I think that it worth optimize your own site, and maybe you will be more popular than the sites you cite
ciao and thank you again
Fabiano

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 12:46:58 +0000

I am running a new internal beta of my plugin which takes care of the duplicate content issue for view all page.

The plugin now creates a meta header tag tell search engines to not index the view all page.

I don’t really think the comments duplication is that much of a worry. I have read most of the info from google and most of the very popular and large websites I visit have the same comments on each page of a multipage post.

By: fabiano busdraghi

fabiano busdraghi — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 11:17:38 +0000

Hello Tarkan
some others toughts about duplicate content. I think duplicate content is a serious question when using multipage posts…
In any subpage of the post there is a duplicate of all the comments, and I’m afraid this can be a big problem with google:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=66359
A possible solution could be to have comments in a different page, something like:
http://www.mysite.com/posttitle/comments
and in every post subpage or “view all page” have a link to the comments page and do not print alla the posts.
What do you think about that?
ciao
Fabiano

By: fabiano busdraghi

fabiano busdraghi — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:26:18 +0000

Hi Tarkan,
thank you very much for your answer. I will follow the numeration as you did.

1) to add a “nofollow” to the all page was just an idea, I’m not sure it is the best one. maybe is better nofollow the other pages? I don’t know eactly. for this reason I asked this question here, hoping some SEO guru can find the best solution. In any case it is true, maybe just using the robot file will be ok.

2) I understand the problem! it is a shame, it would be nice to modify the title tag for each page. hope you will find a nice solution one of these days.
in any case I think it would be useful to have the function the print the current subpage title to use it at least inside the loop. if we can not change the title of the page ( tag) we can at least change the title of the post (what is inside ), is’n it?

3) thank you very much! I hope language switcher will be in the list!

4) thank you for that too, it is a good idea to let the user chose the best solution.

thank you very much for your time
fabiano

By: Tarkan

Tarkan — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:59:07 +0000

Hi Fabiano,

Thanks for the feedback - you have made some good suggestions. I’ll go through each one below.

1. Search Engines and View All page, I think it maybe possible to introduce a rel=nofollow for the View All links. This should hopefully solve that issue. Of course you can always use your robots.txt file to deny access to all urls ending with /all/1 (which will be the view all page locations).

2. Browser header titles - this is quite tuff. It has been mentioned before and the only solution I think that will work will make the plugin extremely bulky and complex.

The issue with the pagetitles is they are stored inside the post, so the post has to be retrieved to read them. Secondly, Wordpress sends the header title to the browser outside of the loop i.e. before the post has been retrieved - so there would be no way of knowing the pagetitle of the particular page beforehand.

The solution I have come up with would be to scan all posts retrieving the pagetitles, etc then storing them titles somewhere that the plugin can retrieve them from to display for the header title.

I am currently happy with the performance of my plugin and this would make it very slow and increase the query count too much, so this will have to be shelved for now - unless I can find a better solution.

3. Translators - to be honest several people have contacted me about this, I have been very lazy on this. So I promise before I release the next version I will try and fix the plugin to worker better with these translation plugins.

4. Page numbering for View All link. I think this is personal preference. I like having the View All page numbered because it look neat and tidy. But, I do think you should be able to choose - so I will create a new setting to have page numbering on the View All links.