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24th March 2014

Teaser: The 1Tb iPod

By Tarkan | Permanent Link
Updated Tue, 25th March 2014

The Teaser

Yes the title is correct the 1TB iPod, as in 1 terabyte, or 930Gb useable for the lawyers…..

iTunes and the 1Tb iPod

iTunes and the 1Tb iPod

1TB iPod Screen

1TB iPod Screen


This will be a complementary product to the iFlash, it will be designed for people who want more than 256Gb.

So for 256Gb or less in storage, the iFlash and SD or CF card will always be the better option – especially in terms of battery life.

Getting 1000 Gb in to an iPod is not going to be cheap and while I have a working prototype and development is still continuing, it may be that I will not move to production if the demand is not great enough and the resulting price would be too high!!!

Again while I have a working prototype, I am still at the very early development stage. I have many issues to solve including but not limited to:- power consumption, drive access stability, seamless compatibility with all iPods (5g,6g,7g) I am working on, and final product cost.

Some Stats

Transfer speed on my test 5g iPod Video is approximately 8 to 9MB/s, so syncing the full 930Gb will take around 30 Hours. On the 6g/7g iPod Classics transfer speeds are nearer 16 – 18Mb/s so about 15 Hours to fill.

Power consumption is not going to be great, and I cannot really tell you anything as my development/prototype boards are not using the iPod’s internal battery (Yes, it really is that bad!!).

The iTunes music database starts to struggle around the 50000 tracks, so to fill 1Tb you will need many lossless music files – rather than millions of low quality files.

I have not tried Rockbox yet, while I expect it to work ok on the 5g Video’s the 6g/7g Classics may not. Rockbox’s file/directory based music storage will probably allow much greater than 50000 tracks.

1TB will probably be the limit for the iPods as I suspect it is at the limitations of the firmware. I will post another teaser if I manage to squeeze more in to some of the newer iPods but I suspect 1TB will be it!!!!!


Not sure, it could be 4 weeks or 4 months or even 4 years – I am working on it and it will be announced when and if its ready for primetime……


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  1. 1 On March 25th, 2014, cmarti said:

    Hi Tarkan, this sounds awesome. I already have an 480gb iPod video and the idea of having a 1TB is tempting.

    Can you please post a picture of the components you are using to achieve 1TB?

    Also I noticed that the “Notify me” option on our pages is not working.

    It would be great if we could subscribe to your posts. *please fix this*

  2. 2 On March 25th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    I am not using anything off the shelf, the development boards I use are things I have designed and made myself.

    I am quite guarded about the development methods and board designs I use, so I would not be able to show pics at this stage (I use this stuff for my day job!!!)

    Expect some pics once the next prototype board is produced, as this will be a self-contained prototype board for the iPod.

    I will look in to the subscribe function, if you click on Notify me of follow-up comments by email – you should get an email from wordpress.com asking if you want to subscribe to the post.

  3. 3 On March 25th, 2014, cmarti said:

    Thank you Tarkan. The subscribe worked for me this time, all is good now.
    Looking forward to read and follow the results of the development and research of these projects.

  4. 4 On May 12th, 2014, john thompson said:

    OMG… Cool!… for real..
    well, look, I was just looking for a thing like this in the web like, 2 years ago… but I jist meet this!.. is incredible… I was planning to so some stuff like this, but with 2TB… well, the 95% of my music is in flac… and I already reached 3TB of it… so, my plan was to convert all these files to 320kb mp3, or just put my favorites flac on the ipod… well, this is a huge thing you done… I just hope that you keep going, so ou could share all of your data and things used for this prototype or even star producing… but well, I was thinking in somehow conect and ordinary iPod plassic 6g to a Lacie Rougged 2TB HDD, and yes, it would be a frankePod, I know, but at least I could have a real huge ipod… it’s a very ambicious proyect I have in mind… well… can you tell me what do you stuied or what are you studying so you can do this kind of stuff? I mean, I always wanted to do things like this, modify the hardware, adapt it, even the firmware… but I don’t know what career or what I have to study to do this kind of things… so, can you tell me please?…. ok, that’s all, I will be visiting this page to be updated with the hot news of this/your project, and will hare with my friends so they can take a look to the future of these devices… well, it’s great! cool! see you!

  5. 5 On May 12th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    I have managed to restore and boot using a 3Tb drive on a 7g iPod. I synced about 250Gb of music and played around a little with no issues – I done no further testing so not sure if the iPod will accept a full drive with 3Tb of music!

  6. 6 On June 5th, 2014, Steven M said:

    That sounds like music to my ears. Having upgraded my entire library to lossless and buying High-resolution (192khz/24bit) downloads online, your work dovetails nicely with the cutting edge evolution in digital music. Neil Young is promoting his own High-resolution player (PONO) but it has very low capacity, something much less than 100gb, 64Gb or so I think. Most of my iPod installations are fixed-base, meaning they are in a docking station or in a vehicle (boat/car) where a direct connection to a constant power supply makes the power consumption much less of an issue for my purposes.
    I have about 650Gb so far, so 1Tb will work for a year or two for me.

  7. 7 On June 8th, 2014, Ipod Classic 7 th Gen said:

    I have allot of interested people that are watching this thed take off, Put me down for two units to see if I can sell more, I will look forward to see what develops.
    Thanks Tarka

  8. 8 On June 12th, 2014, Charles said:

    Hi Tarkan,

    This is great work. Once completed I would be very keen to get one or more of these. Please keep up the good work, and keep me posted!!

  9. 9 On June 14th, 2014, steven manseau said:

    What would you estimate the costs of an upgrade + shipping (both ways) verses just buying new? Shipping to USA 01862.

    I have three to upgrade.

    Steven M.

  10. 10 On July 16th, 2014, Matt said:

    Would this work with Rockbox? I only care about playing flacs.

  11. 11 On July 17th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Work is being done on this – it is working, but emCore / Rockbox is not as stable as the Apple OS, yet!!

  12. 12 On August 30th, 2014, Adam said:

    I’ll take one of those please – all day long.

    As the trend continues towards better quality lossless files, space is once again an issue for portables.

    Best Wishes with you work.

  13. 13 On September 4th, 2014, rem said:

    count me in to buy it

  14. 14 On September 5th, 2014, Ipod Classic 7 th Gen said:

    Hello Tarken,
    I have been waiting to hear what the latest of the 1TB IPOD? can you please update us are we getting close to be able to purchase this yet?

  15. 15 On September 7th, 2014, Dante said:

    I would buy one. For sure.

    Looking forward

  16. 16 On September 15th, 2014, Dodu said:

    I would definitely buy one too !

  17. 17 On September 17th, 2014, fan said:

    Sandisk actually created a 512GB sd card…this should be great for your project?

    if we wait one more year they will probably do a 1To sd card?

  18. 18 On September 25th, 2014, Guillaume Bougard said:

    Do count me in for a 1TB (or more) iPod and please keep us informed and keep up the fantastic work

  19. 19 On September 27th, 2014, john said:

    Mein Gott!! Really man, you are awesome… please, keep us informed, we all expect that you finish this project soon, so we can buy one and have a good time… but, if you need more time, don¿t worry man, we can wait, anyway, you are the one that really wants to improve the iPod, not like the idiots from Apple that discontinued the production ¬¬… anyway, just keep usinformed, ok? I hope you finish soon, I really want a 3 TB iPod for all my flac files…

  20. 20 On October 30th, 2014, Richard said:

    The demise of the iPod classic and the subsequent hike in prices for the remaining stock shows that there is a market for high capacity iPods. When I ran out of space for my mix of compressed and lossless music on a 160gb iPod I decided to take the plunge and re-rip all my CDs losslessly and live with having to compress for the iPod. However if there could be a way to carry all my music around in a lossless format, I’d jump at it. In the meantime my iPod appears to be dying, so if you could bring this project to a successful conclusion, I’d buy one!

  21. 21 On October 30th, 2014, cmarti said:

    Richard, this project has been a reality right now. I been using Tarkan’s adapter on my 7th gen iPod for a little bit loinger than two months and the iPod works flawlessly. Right now the iPod sports a 512gb mSATA card.

  22. 22 On October 30th, 2014, Guillaume Bougard said:

    How soon do you think the 1tb barrier will be broken?

  23. 23 On October 31st, 2014, Richard said:

    Thanks for highlighting, I seem to have completely missed the mSATA option! There does appear to be one 1Tb mSATA drive on the market; would this fit to make the 1Tb iPod a reality?

  24. 24 On October 31st, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Yes the 1Tb mSata is working. I used it in my recent runtime shootout.

    For that article it was loaded up with a 45000 tracks 930Gb music collection.

  25. 25 On October 31st, 2014, Guillaume Bougard said:

    When can I order a 1tb ipod?
    How much?

  26. 26 On November 7th, 2014, Balquier said:


    If you are French, feel free to contact me
    I built a 1Tb Ipod for myself

  27. 27 On November 16th, 2014, john thompson said:

    Hi, again…. well well well, I am so interesed in one of your iPods.. but, I want to know if you are planning to do a 3TB iPod, because, well, that is my dream, lol, a 3TB iPod for aaaaaaaaaaall my FLAC music… I hope you really plan to do it bro… and, well, I live in anoher country, so, I don’t know if you will send your iPods via Fedex or something like that, I will pay everything you know.. but first let me knoe if you will make a 3TB iPod, I think I will buy you 2… and maybe 1 TB too… continue your great project! see you! keep us informed!!!

  28. 28 On November 26th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Hey Tarkan, can you test an iPod 7.5 160gb classic running Rockbox with the 512gb msata drive? I want to know if it still has the battery drain problem like it did with the 256gb sd card. Thanks in advance.

  29. 29 On November 26th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    The problem you had with Power consumption using Rockbox, was related to a bug in EmCore and Rockbox, which has been resolved in the newest builds of both.

    I have not seen higher power use on Rockbox compared to the Apple OS.

  30. 30 On November 26th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Okay, I wasn’t aware of the update. Thanks for telling me about it. Now my other question is, are the audio channels normal and not reversed? Because in the Rockbox program I used for hard drives, it had a patch for audio channel swap. Because the channels were reversed. (right was left, and left was right) And I am talking about the Classic with Rockbox.

  31. 31 On November 29th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    So I decided to put my 256gb sd card back into my 7g 160gb iPod. And put the newer Rockbox with the bugs fixed. And the battery drain problem is pretty much gone. I am quite happy with it, and thanks again man. Now I can run the iPod I want when I get the ssd msata drive here in the near future.

  32. 32 On December 3rd, 2014, Cosmos said:

    Hey Tarkan,

    I’m wondering how much it will cost to upgrade an iPod to the 1TB configuration? What’s the total cost after upgrading a 5.5gen or a 6 or 7 gen iPod? Also what type of battery is the best for a 1TB ssd that will make it last the longest? Many thanks Tarken for looking into this! Also, any luck on the 3TB configuration and how much to run that? Lastly, do i need the 5.5gen iPod for any reason or is it the only one compatible with or only one that reads a 1TB SSD? I think i read somewhere where it’s the only iPod that reads a 1TB without changing the software whereas the others like the 6gen and 7gen iPods you have to change the OS in order for it to read a high capacity ssd drive? What’s the details on this also? Thanks in advance and keep us up to date please on any info you might come across or have, pics, etc! Lastly, i don’t use iTunes but use a different method. It it possible to store up to 150000-170K of songs in theory on this 1TB or greater drive? I don’t see why not if the only limitation is iTunes, just don’t use iTunes. Matter of fact i cannot stand iTunes it’s always bogged down even with smaller files. I have about 3TB worth of music so i cannot use iTunes it’s too much junk. Anyway, i appreciate yours or anyone’s input on these things. Cheers!

  33. 33 On December 5th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Well 1Tb is easy enough – you need my iFlash-Sata and the Samsung 840EVO 1Tb mSata drive.

    Only the iPod Video’s and the lastest slim 7.5g 160Gb can access greater than 128Gb using the native Apple OS.

    During development work I was using a 3Tb Hard drive on the 7g, but the Apple OS has limitations of around 50000 tracks – so to get up to 170K tracks you would need to switch to EmCore / Rockbox which uses files/folders structure to store music, so technically should not have that limitation.

    The other issues is there are no 3Tb mSata drives, the maximum is currently 1Tb.

  34. 34 On December 5th, 2014, Guillaume Bougard said:

    I hear the 1tb ipods have frequent battery issues and require opening to fix the issues and that the 500gb ipods dont have that issue.

    Can you please comment


  35. 35 On December 5th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Any of the mSata drives can suffer power loss corruption, especially on the 5g / 5.5g iPods.

    But if you follow my advice sheet supplied with the iFlash-sata, then it should not happen.

    My personal 1Tb 7g, it has 930Gb of music around 46000 tracks, and I use it 5 days a week for 10 hours a day – and I would say it is more stable and better behaved than the original hard drive.

  36. 36 On December 8th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Well, I have
    . a 500Gb Ipod 7th gen (Crucial M500 mSata drive) using the Tarkan adapter
    . a 1Tb Ipod 7th gen (Samsung EVO840 mSata drive) using the Tarkan adapter

    Sometimes, almost when plugged on a computer (Windows) with itunes, the Ipod can freeze.
    When I reboot the Ipod, it’s OK with the 500Gb Ipod 7th gen.
    With the 1Tb, I experienced two or three times the red cross of the death ;-)
    So, I had to open the Ipod, remove the mSata drive, put it on the computer motherboard, and so on…..
    Once, I only had to make Windows recognize the mSata card
    Another time, I had to reformat the card because I had 3 partition on it !
    I tried two different motherboards and two different Tarkan adapter but I still have the issue.
    Maybe the mSata card itself?

    I never experienced such issue with the 500Gb Ipod, it works perfectly
    So, I’m thinking about having 2 500Gb Ipods instead of having 1X 500Mb + 1X 1Tb

    Maybe some people don’t experience any issue with a 1Tb Ipod, but do they use a 7th gen Ipod with Itunes, or a 5.5 Ipod video with Rockbox?

  37. 37 On December 8th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    When does the freezing occur on the 1Tb? During syncing or just on connection? How many tracks do you have on the 1Tb?

    I never get any issues with mine, I connect to iTunes maybe once every 2 weeks to sync some new music and maybe remove some albums, etc.

  38. 38 On December 8th, 2014, Balquier said:

    It occurs just on connection
    I have about 300Gb / 16000 tracks on the 1Tb

    I uploaded very carrefully the tracks on the drive, bunch of 50/60Gb each time (and then I reload the battery)
    Then, I also connect to Itunes some times in a week, to uplaod one or two albums

  39. 39 On December 8th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    What battery are you using? Have you tried using the Firewire Charger and Dual USB/Firewire lead.

    My 1Tb does take some time to connect with iTunes, but that is because it has over 46000 tracks, but it never freezes.

  40. 40 On December 8th, 2014, Balquier said:

    I am using the original slim battery which works very well even with the 1Tb msata drive
    I just received the firewire charger and dual USB/Firewire lead and I’ll test it

    Do you have a 1Tb Ipod Classic 7th gen or a 1Tb Ipod Video 5.5 Gen?
    I have a 1Tb Ipod Classic 7th gen

  41. 41 On December 8th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Mine is the slim 160Gb 7g.

    I use the slim battery as well, but the dual USB/Firewire lead has to be used with the slim battery – the slim battery cannot do the sync reliably, it struggles.

    Once you are using the firewire charger, you can do all your syncing in one go without stopping to check the battery.

  42. 42 On December 8th, 2014, Balquier said:

    But the issue didn’t occur during sync but when I had Itunes opened
    I plugged the Ipod
    it freezed
    I rebooted the Ipod
    I had the red cross
    never had this with my 500Gb Ipod and I do exactly the same operations with both Ipods
    Well, I will keep you in touch about this

  43. 43 On December 8th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    It would be interesting to see if it still happens with the Dual Firewire/USB lead. Let us know.

  44. 44 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Well, the Dual Firewire/USB lead I got doesn’t work with Itunes so I will order another one and keep you informed
    Does anyone else here have a 1Tb Ipod 7th generation which fully works with Itunes without experiencing sometimes red cross or sad face which requires to open the Ipod and extract the mSATA SSD card?

  45. 45 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Is the lead you got a copy or original Apple?

    The firewire lead goes in to the Apple 12V Firewire Charger, and the USB in to the computer. Does your iPod not appear on the computer?

  46. 46 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    It’s not a original Apple
    I bought it from Ebay here :http://www.ebay.com/itm/260733933530?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

    . It works (sync + charge at the same time) with my Ipod Video 5G 80Gb
    . It syncs with my Ipod touch but it doesn’t charge
    . It charges with my Ipod Classic 7th gen, it syncs with Windows, the ipod is mounted in Itunes, but the sync doesn’t work correctly

    I think I will buy an original Apple.
    Do you confirm it works with Ipod Classic 7th gen?

    Thank you

  47. 47 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    This one would be OK?


    If not, which one would you advise?

  48. 48 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Yes the firewire charging will work on the 5g / 6g / 7g iPods, but you must use the USB connection for data, as they do not have the firewire data connection.

  49. 49 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    That one looks like the original I got, I will look at mine later and confirm it looks the same.

    Do you have a proper Apple 12V Firewire Charger as well?

  50. 50 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    On your 5g, the firewire is charging ok, and the usb is charging/syncing ok?

    I ask because the 5g and 7g pinout on the 30pin dock connector is the same – maybe you have problems on your 7g dock connector.

  51. 51 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    I have an original wall charger

    On my 5g, the firewire is charging ok, and the usb is charging/syncing ok
    But I am using an old Itunes version installed on an old computer for this Ipod 5G (because of a specific mp3 library for this 80GB limited Ipod)

    I tested the sync with 3 different Ipod 7th gen and I have the same issue with the 3. I am using a recent version of Itunes. So I don’t think it’s a problem of dock connector, I think it’s a problem with the cable itself. I can charge with no issue whith a standard USB-only cable with these Ipods 7G.

    Maybe 5g and 7g pinouts on the 30pin dock connector are the same, but not only pinouts are taken in count to make it work properly I guess.

    I’ll order a new original Apple dual USB/Firewire lead and see if it works better.

    Well, this is not a big issue for me as I can upload very carrefully the tracks on the drive, bunch of 50/60Gb each time (and then I reload the battery)

    I would be curious to know if someone else here has experienced sometimes red cross/sad face issue with the 1Tb Ipod (samsung EVO 840)
    Or if someone has great success with its Ipod 1Tb with no red cross / sad face after some weeks/months of use.

    Thank you.

  52. 52 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Well my 7g 1Tb is coming up to 6 weeks of use, 10 hours a day – zero problems.

    Also when I was writing my power consumption article, I did a full restore and sync 5 times for the tests – syncing the full 930Gb which took around 14 hours using the dual firewire/usb cable.

    There is no magic in the lead, and the 5g and 7g pinout is the identical for the firewire/usb connections, only 6 pins are used.

    12V firewire power, Firewire ground, 5v USB power, USB Ground, USB Data(+), USB Data(-).

    It will be intersting to see if the new leads work ok on your 7g.

  53. 53 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    I am not talking about the lead itself, but how it is taken in count with Itunes (Ipod firmware, Itunes version). But, OK, I’ll keep you informed when I get the dual cable and let you know if it works better.

    I was also wondering. I use my 2 different Ipod classic 7th, and often other Ipod classic 7th, and one Itunes. Itunes seems to recognize perfectly the différent Ipods individually. But I had my red cross issue when I connected the 1Tb Ipod to Itunes (it freezed, I botted up the Ipod, I had the red cross).

    Do you think it’s a godd way to use one Itunes with different Ipod classic 7th gen? Maybe it can be lost sometimes?

  54. 54 On December 9th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    I think we are getting confused here.

    The dual firewire/usb lead is not affected by firmware or iTunes or anything like that. The firewire charge circuit connects directly to iPods power circuits, there is no firewire data connection so it is not affected by iTunes. it provides 12V directly to power up the iPod that is all – nothing else.

    No, I do not think iTunes cares how many iPods you have. I use many different iPods for testing with my iTunes computer and it works fine with all of them.

  55. 55 On December 9th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Well, the fact is my dual-cable syncs fine with Ipod video 5G and Ipod touch, not with 3 different Ipod 7th gen so I was considering it could be related to a firmware issue
    I will continue to test, investigate, I will order a new dual cable, and keep you informed.
    I also noted your answer regarding the Itunes use (we can connect many Ipods with no issue)

    If anyone else can contribute on this thread just to know if I am the only one to experience (sometimes only – 2 or 3 times during last 3 months) some red cross / sad face issue with my 1Tb Ipod 7th gen classic using Itunes. I would happy to share. Thank you

  56. 56 On December 11th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    I would love to have a 500gb msata ipod. But I cannot tell if my Ipod classic is a 6, 6.5, 7 or 7.5 one.
    I can only say I bought the ipod classic 160gb in may this year and on the box they talk about September 2009. So according to your explanation I believe it should be a 7.5 gen, right?
    I was already checking internet prices for the Samsung msata 500gb 840 evo, but it looks different from the picture you displayed here on your website. As well I was reading about 3.3 volts are only usable on ipods.
    Is that true and how will I know, if that one offered is actually that version.

    Oh, sorry for all these questions, but I am so interested in getting that 500gb msata drive working in my Ipod classic.


  57. 57 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Hi Tarkan,

    I received some answers from Y cable sellers on Ebay
    This one for exemple : http://www.ebay.fr/itm/Original-APPLE-SYNC-docking-cable-USB-FIREWIRE-Nano-iPod-mini-3G-4G-photo-U2-/321549525546?pt=US_FireWire_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4addd8622a
    The cable is compatible with Ipod 7th generation
    But, like the one I bought, it can’t sync with USB and charge with Firewire at the same time.

    I can see DR650SE @headfi.org posted on 2014/10/08 on your thread related to iFlash-mSata a picture of its lead dual cable here : http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/13/suryru2e.jpg

    On the picture, we can see that it works with an Ipod 5G

    Tarkan, do you confirm it should also work with Ipod 7G?
    Which cable do you use with your Ipod 7G? A picture would be appreciated

    For your informations, I’m thinking about buying this one:

    If someone here uses this dual cable to sync & charge its Ipod 7G, I would appreciate to share
    Thank you

  58. 58 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    If you enter the iPod diagnostics under Manual Test / SysCfg menu, it will display your actual iPod model number. But if your iPod is 160Gb, and slim (approx. 10mm) then it is a 7.5g.

    All mSata drives are 3.3v that is part of mSata specification, just make sure you are getting the mSata version of the Samsung, as there is a normal 2.5″ ssd version as well.

  59. 59 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Hi again Tarkan,

    Just to be sure, I can read on your Iflash-msata thread that you loaded 930Gb in one time on your Ipod with the dual lead USB/Firewire cable
    Could you confirm you were using an Ipod 7th gen and you synchronized with Itunes?

    I try to find a solution to do that also.
    But it’s hard to find someone to confirm it works with last gen and Itunes

    I had a look on many Y cables, but most of them allow to charge or to sync with USB and Firewire but warn to use the both extremity (USB & Firewire) at the same time.

    Thank you

  60. 60 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    The cable in your previous post looks like the one I have, an original Apple lead. And yes it works fine with the 7g for charging via Firewire while syncing on the USB.

    Ignore the warning about using both leads at the same time, that only really applies to the 3g / 4g iPods which have Firewire Data connection as well as USB data. I will try and record a video either later today or tomorrow demonstrating how I connect the Firewire Charger and do my USB syncing.

  61. 61 On December 11th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    well, my classic 160gb ipod says MC197LL as model number. Will that work as well?
    Because it is neither of those model numbers you mention in your compatibility list.
    I guess it is an “in-between-model” from the MB to the PC – models.

    Here is the msata I found from samsung, could you please try and help me?


    Or is it possible to mail my ipod to and you mail it back?
    Sure I’ll pay for everything.

    Hmmm, what about the software? Will the ipod stay on the 2.0.5 software?


  62. 62 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    I think you meant MC297LL?? But that is correct my chart only shows PC297, but the first letter changes between P or M depending on if the iPod was formatted for PC or MAC.

  63. 63 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    Well, with the first Y Cable I bought (not the Apple original), I ignore the warning and I got “improper transmissions” = sync failure.
    I’ll buy the one I showed you on the 3 pictures on my previous post
    yes, a video would be great
    You didn’t confirm you use Itunes while syncing and charging at the same time, do you?
    Also, could you tell me if you have the Apple logo on the USB extremity connector on your Y cable?
    Thank you

  64. 64 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    @Julia – The link for the mSata is the correct model, and your iPod will work as normal, just restore via iTunes.

  65. 65 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Yes I use iTunes, it is not the latest version, I think it might be version 11 maybe.

    But iTunes has got nothing to do with the fact your 7g does not even charge using the Firewire connection and the Apple firewire Charger.

  66. 66 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    OK, thank you for the confirmation

    I don’t say my Ipod 7G doesn’t charge using the firewire connection on the Apple Firewire charger
    In fact:

    . My cable can charge my Ipod Classic 7th gen with the USB connection or with the Firewire connection

    . The Ipod is mounted under Windows through USB

    . If I plug the Firewire to the wall charger at the same time, it still works under Windows, I can navigate under the different folders on the Ipod

    . If I launch Itunes, the Ipod is mounted but the sync doesn’t start and I can’t navigate under Windows on the Ipod after that

  67. 67 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Ok, now I understand the problem. I would think that is caused by the poor quality copy cable, the Apple cable will not have that problem.

  68. 68 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    OK, I’ll keep you informed about this, thank you again

  69. 69 On December 11th, 2014, Balquier said:

    I’m not sure in fact the problem is a poor quality of the cable I use
    I think some cables can sync with USB while charge with Firewire and some others don’t
    For exemple:


    They clearly prevent from connecting USB and Firewire at the same time

  70. 70 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Why don’t we wait till you get the real Apple lead, and see if you still have the problem.

    The warning about using both leads is not to connect them both to the SAME COMPUTER, the reason is because the Firewire Data and Power connection can be at a different ground reference point compared to the USB data and power.


  71. 71 On December 11th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Hey Tarkan; Do you have a 500gb msata iPod? And what does it show as the capacity for space? (After you go through the process, and it is restored) I would appreciate it, and thanks.

  72. 72 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    I do not have one installed at the moment, but my 500Gb Samsung 840EVO was about 470Gb. The 480Gb mSata drives normally show around 447Gb.

  73. 73 On December 11th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Okay so the Samsung 840EVO which is 512gb shows 470 or so after restoring? And thanks for the update. I think that will be the one I shoot for. Is this the one you are talking about? This one is on ebay.

    Samsung PM851 Series MZMTE512HMHP 512GB mSATA SATAIII TLC Solid State Drive SSD

  74. 74 On December 11th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    No the 840EVO is 500Gb, PM851 is another Samsung mSata series which is 512Gb.

    Only the 256Gb PM851 has been tested as far as I know, I think Cmarti who has posted a comment is using the 512Gb PM851, hopefully he can confirm.

  75. 75 On December 11th, 2014, cmarti said:

    The Samsung PM851 Series MZMTE512HMHP 512GB mSATA is what I use as my daily rig, it works great and never had a corruption problem since I installed it back in June.

  76. 76 On December 12th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Thanks cmarti for sharing. I appreciate it. I will for sure try to get one of those drives, once I get my refund on the other one.

  77. 77 On December 12th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    thanks for answering so fast.
    Well, my ipod was and is used since I got it new on PC/Laptop on Win 7.
    What about the motherboard. I know that only certain Ipod 5.5 were able to be upgraded to a 240gb HDD.
    Do I need a certain motherboard on Ipod 7th gen to fulfill this task?

    Were you able to check on the above mentioned link.
    Here is the msata I found from samsung, could you please try and help me?


    Or is it possible to mail my ipod to and you mail it back?
    Sure I’ll pay for everything.

    Hmmm, what about the software? Will the ipod stay on the 2.0.5 software?


  78. 78 On December 12th, 2014, WildmaN said:


    You said you had the 7th generation. Which should be mc297ll, and your iPod will be a charcoal color. And with the thin back. I have the same exact one, and I got it used. I work on iPods and such in my spare time. And since you also said 2+ firmware. You for sure have the 7th Generation 160gb thin iPod. Hope that helps some.

  79. 79 On December 12th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello WildmaN,

    thanks for your answer. Yeah, it is the mc297ll, and yep it is the charcoral black. It has the thin back.
    It helps, but it wasn’t configured on a Mac. I got it completely new, attached it to my Win 7 laptop and according to Tarkan’s explanation it should say PC297ll.

    Anyway, I hope, the msata drive I mentioned above is the correct one.
    If that is the case, I would love to get it and order the part in Tarkan’s shop, so I will have a 500gb Ipod.

    Another questions is: If I change from HDD to msata, will I stay on 2.0.5 software and is the motherboard able to handle everything?

    I am asking that, since it was not possible for every 5.5 gen ipod to be upgraded to 240gb hdd.


  80. 80 On December 12th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Hello Julia;

    Tarkan would know more about the Apple firmware part. Because I run my iPod on Rockbox, and they work better. I don’t care for the iTunes because of the limited track issue. If you put more than 48000 tracks on a 240gb HDD iPod, and try to shuffle the whole thing. It will play the first track then after that it repeats and the screen goes wacky. lol

    Anyway from what I remember You still keep the 2.0.5 firmware when you restore the iPod in iTunes. But run the 10 version not the 11 or 12 they suck. lol I am sure the msata drive will work, and it is not hard to install it and get it going. Hope that helps.

  81. 81 On December 12th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    @Julia, Yes it is pretty much plug & play, once installed and connected to the computer – iTunes will ask to restore the iPod. The iPod will operate pretty much the same as before, just with very large storage. The supplied instruction sheet as advice on things to be aware of, concerning battery etc.

    I don’t offer a fitting service, you should be able to find a phone repair shop which could install it for you while you wait – it should not take more than 2 minutes.

  82. 82 On December 13th, 2014, john said:

    Hi Tarkan, lol, I see you have been doing a great work, I want to ask you for a 3TB iPod… it is for aaaaaaaaaaall my flac music, it is like 3TB, so, I need a 3TB iPod… do you deliver to other countries? and, when and how much do you thin it will be done and cost?…
    I wait for your answer, Thanks…

  83. 83 On December 13th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Post up with a video demonstrating the complete restore and sync of a 1Tb iPod Classic, using the Dual Firewire/USB Lead.


  84. 84 On December 13th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    so all I actually need to get is the Iflash (msata) adapter, the Samsung SSD 840 EVO mSATA 500 GB MZ-MTE500, install it and then enjoy.



  85. 85 On December 15th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hey Tarkan,

    where can I get the Dual Firewire/USB Lead. I’ve been looking on amazon.de and cannot find it. ebay.de doesn’t have it either.
    Will I need it for the 500gb ipod, or is it just necessary when the 1TB ipod is build?


  86. 86 On December 15th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    There is a person ebay.com selling them and who ships to Europe, they are new and original.

    I highly recommend the Dual firewire USB lead, regardless of what mSata drive you use or battery, but here is my current advice based on battery types :-

    Original Slim Battery -> Dual Firewire Lead is necessary, as the slim battery struggles during syncing, especially as the battery ages.

    Thick 850mAh -> You can do syncing in batches of 80Gb to 100Gb, and you will be ok, eject and allow battery to recharge for at least 2 hours.

    3rd Party 2000mAh -> You can sync for around 4 to 5 hours at a time, so batches of 300Gb to 400Gb, again eject and allow battery to recharge for at least 4 hours.

  87. 87 On December 15th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Hey Tarkan; Could you post a link to the ebay seller with the dual firewire usb leads? And do they ship in the United States? Thanks would appreciate it man.

  88. 88 On December 15th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/321549525546 <- ships worldwide, very reasonable shipping price for us Europeans.

    You will also need the 12V Firewire Charger. I don’t have any links for that.

  89. 89 On December 15th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    so all I actually need to get is the Iflash (msata) adapter, the Samsung SSD 840 EVO mSATA 500 GB MZ-MTE500, install it and then enjoy.

    Really, since -like I said- my Ipod shows MC297LL and not PC297LL.
    But it was configurated on a PC and not on a Mac and it was new when I bought it.

    I am just concerned, since spending about € 250,– and then it does not work is a little much, don’t you think?

    Please be so kind and give me an answer.

    Thanks in advance,

  90. 90 On December 15th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    As far as I know PC293LL is the same as MC293LL model iPods, they are all thin 160Gb 7g’s which will be ok for what you want to do.

  91. 91 On December 16th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Thanks Tarkan for the information. What is the model number of your firewire wall plug? I am getting different information on what model works with what iPod. And I don’t want to get the wrong one. I will be running the 7g classic thin charcoal 160gb model with my msata drive. Thanks.

  92. 92 On December 16th, 2014, William Pearson said:

    Here is the eBay link for the FireWire adapter available from the same seller as Tarkan posted for the Dual FireWire USB cable:

  93. 93 On December 16th, 2014, Julia said:

    Hello Tarkan,

    thanks a lot for the information. I bet you meant 297LL *grin*. That’s just a Typo I guess.


  94. 94 On December 16th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    MC293 / PC293 are Silver models, MC297 / PC297 are the black models – but yes a typo!!!

  95. 95 On December 16th, 2014, Balquier said:


    Just to let you know I asked the seller Jadescomputer some days ago:
    “I want to sync with USB and charge with Firewire at the same time, is it possible?
    Is it compatible with Ipod classic 7th gen (last generation – 2009)?”
    Jadescomputer answered “not at the same time but is compatible with your model – the cable can not charge at the same time only either USB or firewire and this is compatible”

    But Tarkan advised to “gnore the warning about using both leads at the same time, that only really applies to the 3g / 4g iPods which have Firewire Data connection as well as USB data. I will try and record a video either later today or tomorrow demonstrating how I connect the Firewire Charger and do my USB syncing.”

    So, when you get this cable from Jadescomputer, could you let everybody know if it works as expected (sync with USB connected to the computer and charge with Firewire connected to the wall charger)? Thank you

  96. 96 On December 16th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Lead I got from Jadescomputer is the lead I used in video.

  97. 97 On December 16th, 2014, Balquier said:

    OK, great :-) !
    Thank you

  98. 98 On December 16th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Here is Apple Knowledge base article on the lead :-

  99. 99 On December 18th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    So when I get the msata 512gb drive. Do I need to format it, or can I just restore it in iTunes, then Rockbox it?

  100. 100 On December 18th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    Just restore directly using iTunes, no need to format or anything else.

  101. 101 On December 19th, 2014, WildmaN said:

    Excellent thanks for the response Tarkan. As soon as I get it, I will get it going. Unfortunately, I can’t afford to get the firewire plug and cord. I will have to wait a week or so. Also one more thing….What ribbon cable do I use? The 7th Generation one? I would guess that would be right.

  102. 102 On December 19th, 2014, Tarkan said:

    If your existing ribbon is ok, it will work.

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